And the cards being used were some of the ridiculous pitchers hitting cards in Strat?
The only reason I'm asking is because BTM has Yo Gallardo. Yo has an impressive power card vs righties. It seems unfair that I would be able to use him without limit when he had about 70 plate appearances. I would predict 30 or so home runs. I'm sure there has to be a few more ridiculous cards that could really skew the game. I'd like everyone to weigh in on this.
Actually it was just bad teams saving plate appearances. I can't imagine there are alot of great pitcher hitting cards out there. I think Gary had a pitcher last year with decent home run numbers. I would also imagine Micah Owings had some decent hitter cards.
I urge everyone to take a look at the 2010 Pitchers Hitting league in Strat. There are at least a half a dozen ridiculous cards. Guys that had 1 ab and hit a single for instance have cards that are phenomenal. 70% OBP for an entire season is insane. I personally think the unlimited appearance rule should be changed for pitchers.
I had never thought about someone taking advantage of this rule but after looking through all the pitchers' cards I see your point. Although you would hope competing teams would not try to take advantage of this rule in the spirit of the game.
I believe a rule change would need unanimous approval.
We never used the pitcher hitting cards that I am aware of. You just put the pitcher in the lineup wherever you want him and the game uses a generic pitcher hitting card. The hitter rating on the pitcher lets you know what generic card will be used. The pitcher hitting cards just came out a year or so ago and I don't know that we were ever authorized to use them. I know I haven't. I guess that would be a Tom question. Tom would have to add the pitcher hitting card to your lineup and I know that has never been done.
I just played a National League game using Gallardo...not his hitting card. He had a 5% chance at a home run and smacked a double. That may have been the generic card but I doubt it. I would love to use him to pinch hit for his 70 or so plate appearances, but definitely do not want to exploit the unlimited loophole.
Gallardo has the 8NR generic hitting card. The NR means normal power against right handed pitchers. The 8 is the best card for average. So yes, if you did not add the Gallardo pitcher card to your team, then you managed to hit the right number on the pitcher card or you got a HR off the opposite pitcher due to the Normal rating. Very few pitchers get that card assigned to them. Having used a pitcher with one of those generic cards assigned to them, I will tell you that it IS NOT the same card that you see in the pitcher hitting card group for Gallardo. It is not that good. You will get some power out of it if you use it, but it WILL still just be a pitcher card. It is better than a lot of the weaker real hitters. You're just lucky to have a pitcher that gets that card. There are very few of them in the game. I guess you could call it flaw in our rules, but it has been legal as long as I can remember. If you think it needs to be addressed, then we can discuss it for a rule change.
I read your post wrong. Your pitcher hit a double not a HR, but the card is a high average card. Doubles exist on the card and the 5% HR chance takes both the hitter and pitcher card into consideration. That seems logical considering. Looks like Gallardo is the DH if you choose to use him.
Okay, apparently I am not as learned on this topic as I thought I was. I have been testing in my game and this is what I discovered.
1. You said you played a NL game. If you actually played the 2010ML league in the game then the game WAS using Gallardo's pitching card. The league has to be set up to use the pitcher cards and Strat has the league set to do that. If you have the card image in your game you can see the card when Gallardo comes to bat and see that it matches the one in the pitcher league. Note: If you want to see something really interesting, then play a 2010ML game with Houston, let Chacin hit, and look at his card when he is batting.
2. The NR doesn't mean normal against righties. It does mean normal, but the same card is used whether the pitcher he is facing is R or L. So I believe it means the pitcher hits as a Normal hitter and he bats right. I have tested different pitchers and the L or R appears to match the side of the plate they bat from. There are also cards that end with an S and those pitchers are switch hitters. When Gallardo bats in our FL league where the league is not set up to use the pitcher league cards and you view his card image, it is not near as strong as the pitcher league card is. And if you looked at Chacin in the pitcher league cards you will see that he doesn't get that killer card either. So you don't have to put him high on your IOD list thinking you might get the next Babe Ruth times 10 for your DH.
Thanks for noticing this and working through the set-up, Gary and Dave.
The existing rule is meant only for the "generic" pitcher cards and would clearly need to be adjusted if we were to use the new individual pitching cards. For now, our league will *not* be set up to use the Pitchers Hitting league cards with the individual cards.
